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Re: NVDACon 2020 post-mortem analysis: success, moving to a different platform, Twitter feed

Adriani Botez
 

No definitely not a two-men decision. We will discuss this during next organizational meeting I would say.


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 08.12.2020 um 07:36 schrieb Robert Hänggi <aarjay.robert@gmail.com>:

On 08/12/2020, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,



it was a pleasure to work with all of you together also this year,
especially Robert, Laura, Austin and Derek really great job in organizing it
this year. Even though I couldn’t participate in organizational meetings and
so on, I tried to follow the conversations and to help when was possible. I
have the feeling that the NVDACon team gets stronger and grows in a
sustainable way which makes me really lucky to see.



Regarding zoom, I explored this opportunity last year and had two long
conversations with the Zoom people trying to negociate a meaningful plan
which is teylored for NVDACon. I ended up at about 145 USD per month, if we
include full recording features, 10 moderator accounts, full webinar
features and so on. My conclusion was as follows:

* The best way would be to rent a Zoom pro account from an organization
which already uses it regularly (cheapest way I would say)
Exactly so although I don't like the affiliation, dependants and
overall problems on coordination that it is involved.

* Zoom doesn’t offer weekend plans
* We need a backup through an NGO to get discount
* We need an account for NVDACon to begin fund raising throughout the
community (i.e. a paypal account)
Although we have a donate button, I wonder if there were ever payments
made through it to the NVDA project.
All in all, it needs much more than a button. We need funnels, opt-ins
and most important a mailing list (gimp like) to bind users
permanently.
This isn't just for fund raising but also to extract valid data about
the regular emails that we send (were they opened, were the links
clicked etc).
Apart from that, it is just convenient to set up emails beforehand and
reminders (e.g. for the conference start) go out automatically.

* We need to think about an alternative conference format, moderating a Zoom
conference which takes three days long is really really not an easy job,
especially if we want to avoid what happened during Opening forum this
year.
As a side-note, did someone ever attend a zoom meeting like our forums
where any user can speak at any time?
The meetings that I've attended were all just directed by a single
host and participants had to raise their hands to speak.



Let me know your thoughts and I can start negociations with them again.

I will also try to find a solution for getting a Zoom pro account to test a
one day conference, maybe in February.



Doug Lee and me we’re preparing an overview of the platforms out there and
will try to find what the best is for NVDACon.
The features that go into the workbook are not a two-men decision, are they?
Because that's how one could interpret this sentence.

Best
Robert


Best regards

Adriani





Von: intl@NVDACon.groups.io <intl@NVDACon.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Iván
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Hi.



According to what I've seen, Zoom can be paid month-by-month, but the web
offers anual plans by default. Anual prices are usually equal to 10 months.

Additionally, for nonprofit organizations, at least here in spain, zoom
seems to offer a 50% discount on all plans, 1 plan request per organization
per year, via Techsoup. As Techsoup is an international company, I think
similar offers would be available in other countries.

I don't think moving from TeamTalk is a fundamental need for conferences
such as NVDACon or our local meeting, but to be honest some people was
complaining about TeamTalk also during our last conference, held in last
month; however there wasn't such a strong debate as in NVDACon's openning
forum.



Regards.



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O 08/12/2020 á(s) 2:20, Robert Hänggi escribiu:

Thanks Quentin for the kind words

I must say it was such a pleasure and so inspirational to work with
you one to one that I didn't mind staying up wide into the small hours
(like now where it is 2:00 am here).
Especially in the first weeks when I felt like doing a one-man show
and reaching out to you was soothing to my mental balance.
Our "conspiracy" produced some great ideas of which not all could make
it into the conference as yet but they are burnt into our sub
conscience (or just the email archive) so that they could pop up any
time again.
I'm looking forward to work with you again in whichever role that might be.
Cheers
Robert

On 08/12/2020, Quentin Christensen <mailto:quentin@nvaccess.org>
<quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:

Congratulations Joseph, Robert, Derek, Austin, Laura and everyone involved
on running a very successful and well received NVDACon, great job!

Joseph, you will be missed, but you have setup a great foundation and got a
talented group of people holding the fort so enjoy your time away from
running the show next year!

In terms of cost, NV Access are certainly willing to contribute financially
to whatever solution is going to work best for the conference organisers
and participants - although of course we need to be able to justify the
expense as well, and it may be that approaching a particular platform about
sponsorship is worthwhile.

For now, congratulations again on a great conference, and I look forward to
hearing the recordings!

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:48 AM Robert Hänggi
<mailto:aarjay.robert@gmail.com> <aarjay.robert@gmail.com>
wrote:


Hi

Again, for reference, here is the pricing page of zoom:
https://zoom.us/pricing

I'm horrified when I check the feature we want and read the total cost.
I've read comments like "If they can't afford $10 per month, I will
gladly pay it from my own pocket".
This is very misleading. The minimum plan for our purpose costs $200 per
year
The ideal plan (with phone calling, enough participants, live
streaming, multiple rooms, replays, better website integration and so
on) amounts to $1200 per year.

Some people said that we could use their accounts.
I don't know how you feel about it but I don't like the thought to be
dependant on others.
Nonetheless, we will check out the options and Doug lee (as Joseph
said) is composing a workbook with all the possibilities.

Cheers
Robert

On 08/12/2020, Lino Morales <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>
<linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes you are correct James. I wonder between NV Access and
individuals/non for proffit orgs around the world with some promotion
etc. could raise money to use Zoom? If the NVDA community worldwide
starts something like this now that would be great. Yeah I know many
folks can't donate, but if we get said orgs for the blind on board that
would be a running start.

On 12/7/2020 6:27 PM, James Teh wrote:

I'd respectfully point out that Zoom is not free - it actually ends up
being quite costly for something like NVDACon - so it's not simply a
matter of popular opinion. Any proposal to move to an alternative
platform also needs to consider how that platform will be funded
and/or set up.

Jamie

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:08 AM Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com> <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>>
wrote:

I didn't partake in the Con this year, however I vote for Zoom for
2021 and later. As you stated Joseph the hosts have more control.
I'm been crowing about getting Zoom for the past couple of years
pree pandemic. Glad it went well and hope to hear the recordings
soon.

On 12/7/2020 4:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:


Hi all,

First, it was great to see many people at NVDACon 2020. I
personally consider this a successful event despite the pandemic
and its effects. Although we had issues in the beginning, it ran
smoothly, especially as the post-keynote QnA was very extensive.

A few thank you’s:

* Robert Hangi: chairing the organizing committee and upgrading
the pre-keynote experience.
* Laura Cornwell and friends: effective promotion, and for
streaming parts of the conference.
* Austin Pinto and other recording engineers.
* Derek Riemer: infrastructure and providing support.
* NV Access crew: another amazing keynote.
* Presenters: for diversifying the topics.

And most importantly, audience members who shared their passion
for NVDA and giving organizers countless encouragements. Hope the
event served as a healing moment for you.

Second, based on actual experience and post-event feedback, I
would like to suggest that organizers look into a different
platform for NVDACon 2021 and beyond. Of course we have to think
about accessibility and outreach, but mostly to help future
conference moderators perform their tasks more efficiently. Zoom
is a possibility, and Doug Lee apparently organized an Excel
spreadsheet with potential platforms. I would also like to
suggest that when a platform is chosen, organizers meet regularly
using that platform to familiarize themselves as to how to use it
effectively.

Lastly, NVDACon Twitter feed is still alive. The next post from
there will be done when recordings become available.

I announced this after the closing forum, but this is to affirm
that I will not be participating in NVDACon planning for next
year. However, if people want me to, I can give coaching for
presenters upon request – mostly to go over online presentation
etiquette, how to respond to comments, and refining small things
in content. Apart from that, I will be your biggest fan from the
distance.

May the NVDACon continue to bridge the community for years to
come.

Cheers,

Joseph

Joseph S. Lee

Student (communication studies), California State University, Los
Angeles

Code contributor and add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project

Certified NVDA Expert, 2019

Founding chair, NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon –
2014 to 2016



















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Re: NVDACon 2020 post-mortem analysis: success, moving to a different platform, Twitter feed

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello Robert and NVDA Con team:

First, thank you for all your efforts in putting together NVDA Con. NVDA Con went about as well as it could have. I am thankful to all of your efforts.

For my part in the chaos of the opening forum, I would like to apologize.
  • I attempted to come on opening forum, and explain why I believed that Teamtalk is not an ideal platform. Moderation is not as powerful as it is on other platforms, users find TeamTalk fiddly with audio particularly when or if they unplug and plug in devices, etc, TeamTalk doesn't really have echo cancellation, NVDA Con is an international conference and should not be pleased with 60 participants, particularly when more than half were organizers, moderators, and NVAccess staff, and so on. I feel very strongly that TeamTalk is a very poor choice of platform for an international conference, and I have brought this up repeatedly over the years.
  • Instead of being given the opportunity to speak, I was interrupted, and organizers defended TeamTalk as being a great platform.
  • I was unprofessional in my attempts to illustrate, during a small part of the opening forum, why it is a bad idea to use TeamTalk as a platform at this point. I used various nicknames, and adjusted my gain level pretty high, and caused echo while others were attempting to speak, particularly for those individuals who were attempting to interrupt me from speaking. This is not good for an international forum, and I apologize for this. I did not repeat this for the remainder of the conference, and will not do so again.

Even in this thread exchange, I am seeing organizers still say that TeamTalk is a good choice for hosting a conference. Even with all that happened during opening forum, even with the keynote running into the issues that it ran into, we still see people defending TeamTalk as a platform. I was unable to enjoy the keynote live as I kept being kicked out and needed to rejoin a number of times. Each time, because of the number of users, there was a noticeable lag, and at one point, NVDA crashed. This is on a quite powerful modern machin with 16 GB of ram and a gigabit Internet connection.

If the cost of running a Zoom room for the conference is as stated in this thread, for ten moderators, and if it then allows for streaming things like the keynote to Youtube, and if it allows greater flexibility and ability of users, developers, and interested parties all around the world to join, and if it can better enable NVDA con to reach many more users, thus being more representative of the NVDA community, then that cost is a small one to pay. If NVAccess cannot get a lower rate by working with Zoom, I am happy to donate the cost for this for next year's con. Recording would be simpler, many of the audio issues would be sorted, moderators have substantially more control, and audio quality for certain events can be enhanced with minimal jitter issues, disconnects, drop-outs, and issues with the time it takes to reconnect. Presenters and participants can easily connect by phone call, mobile app, on the web, using desktop apps on Windows, Mac, and Linux, and so on. I don't really frankly understand why there is still a question of whether this is or is not a good idea.

Again, I hope the organizers will accept my apologies for contributing to the issues with the opening forum. Thank you all for your hard work into this year's con.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 10:10 PM Robert Hänggi <aarjay.robert@...> wrote:
On 08/12/2020, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Thanks Robert!
>
> Now I don't want to scare you off, but particularly if you are still the
> chair next year, I've got YOU in mind to do an NVDA story on in the lead up
> to the conference like we did with Justin this year :)

I'm not that jumpy, hahaha.
Good idea, I could start by recording a personal Journal so that I
don't forget what happened when.

Cheers
Robert

>
> Quentin.
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:20 PM Robert Hänggi <aarjay.robert@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Quentin for the kind words
>>
>> I must say it was such a pleasure and so inspirational to work with
>> you one to one that I didn't mind staying up wide into the small hours
>> (like now where it is 2:00 am here).
>> Especially in the first weeks when I felt like doing a one-man show
>> and reaching out to you was soothing to my mental balance.
>> Our "conspiracy" produced some great ideas of which not all could make
>> it into the conference as yet but they are burnt into our sub
>> conscience (or just the email archive) so that they could pop up any
>> time again.
>> I'm looking forward to work with you again in whichever role that might
>> be.
>> Cheers
>> Robert
>>
>> On 08/12/2020, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>> > Congratulations Joseph, Robert, Derek, Austin, Laura and everyone
>> involved
>> > on running a very successful and well received NVDACon, great job!
>> >
>> > Joseph, you will be missed, but you have setup a great foundation and
>> got a
>> > talented group of people holding the fort so enjoy your time away from
>> > running the show next year!
>> >
>> > In terms of cost, NV Access are certainly willing to contribute
>> financially
>> > to whatever solution is going to work best for the conference
>> > organisers
>> > and participants - although of course we need to be able to justify the
>> > expense as well, and it may be that approaching a particular platform
>> about
>> > sponsorship is worthwhile.
>> >
>> > For now, congratulations again on a great conference, and I look
>> > forward
>> to
>> > hearing the recordings!
>> >
>> > Quentin.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:48 AM Robert Hänggi <aarjay.robert@...>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi
>> >>
>> >> Again, for reference, here is the pricing page of zoom:
>> >> https://zoom.us/pricing
>> >>
>> >> I'm horrified when I check the feature we want and read the total
>> >> cost.
>> >> I've read comments like "If they can't afford $10 per month, I will
>> >> gladly pay it from my own pocket".
>> >> This is very misleading. The minimum plan for our purpose costs $200
>> >> per
>> >> year
>> >> The ideal plan (with phone calling, enough participants, live
>> >> streaming, multiple rooms, replays, better website integration and so
>> >> on) amounts to $1200 per year.
>> >>
>> >> Some people said that we could use their accounts.
>> >> I don't know how you feel about it but I don't like the thought to be
>> >> dependant on others.
>> >> Nonetheless, we will check out the options and Doug lee (as Joseph
>> >> said) is composing a workbook with all the possibilities.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >> Robert
>> >>
>> >> On 08/12/2020, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
>> >> > Yes you are correct James. I wonder between NV Access and
>> >> > individuals/non for proffit orgs around the world with some
>> >> > promotion
>> >> > etc. could raise money to use Zoom? If the NVDA community worldwide
>> >> > starts something like this now that would be great. Yeah I know many
>> >> > folks can't donate, but if we get said orgs for the blind on board
>> that
>> >> > would be a running start.
>> >> >
>> >> > On 12/7/2020 6:27 PM, James Teh wrote:
>> >> >> I'd respectfully point out that Zoom is not free - it actually ends
>> up
>> >> >> being quite costly for something like NVDACon - so it's not simply
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> matter of popular opinion. Any proposal to move to an alternative
>> >> >> platform also needs to consider how that platform will be funded
>> >> >> and/or set up.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jamie
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:08 AM Lino Morales <
>> linomorales001@...
>> >> >> <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>     I didn't partake in the Con this year, however I vote for Zoom
>> for
>> >> >>     2021 and later. As you stated Joseph the hosts have more
>> >> >> control.
>> >> >>     I'm been crowing about getting Zoom for the past couple of
>> >> >> years
>> >> >>     pree pandemic. Glad it went well and hope to hear the
>> >> >> recordings
>> >> >> soon.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>     On 12/7/2020 4:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>     Hi all,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>     First, it was great to see many people at NVDACon 2020. I
>> >> >>>     personally consider this a successful event despite the
>> >> >>> pandemic
>> >> >>>     and its effects. Although we had issues in the beginning, it
>> >> >>> ran
>> >> >>>     smoothly, especially as the post-keynote QnA was very
>> >> >>> extensive.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>     A few thank you’s:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>       * Robert Hangi: chairing the organizing committee and
>> upgrading
>> >> >>>         the pre-keynote experience.
>> >> >>>       * Laura Cornwell and friends: effective promotion, and for
>> >> >>>         streaming parts of the conference.
>> >> >>>       * Austin Pinto and other recording engineers.
>> >> >>>       * Derek Riemer: infrastructure and providing support.
>> >> >>>       * NV Access crew: another amazing keynote.
>> >> >>>       * Presenters: for diversifying the topics.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>     And most importantly, audience members who shared their
>> >> >>> passion
>> >> >>>     for NVDA and giving organizers countless encouragements. Hope
>> the
>> >> >>>     event served as a healing moment for you.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>     Second, based on actual experience and post-event feedback, I
>> >> >>>     would like to suggest that organizers look into a different
>> >> >>>     platform for NVDACon 2021 and beyond. Of course we have to
>> >> >>> think
>> >> >>>     about accessibility and outreach, but mostly to help future
>> >> >>>     conference moderators perform their tasks more efficiently.
>> >> >>> Zoom
>> >> >>>     is a possibility, and Doug Lee apparently organized an Excel
>> >> >>>     spreadsheet with potential platforms. I would also like to
>> >> >>>     suggest that when a platform is chosen, organizers meet
>> regularly
>> >> >>>     using that platform to familiarize themselves as to how to use
>> it
>> >> >>>     effectively.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>     Lastly, NVDACon Twitter feed is still alive. The next post
>> >> >>> from
>> >> >>>     there will be done when recordings become available.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>     I announced this after the closing forum, but this is to
>> >> >>> affirm
>> >> >>>     that I will not be participating in NVDACon planning for next
>> >> >>>     year. However, if people want me to, I can give coaching for
>> >> >>>     presenters upon request – mostly to go over online
>> >> >>> presentation
>> >> >>>     etiquette, how to respond to comments, and refining small
>> >> >>> things
>> >> >>>     in content. Apart from that, I will be your biggest fan from
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>>     distance.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>     May the NVDACon continue to bridge the community for years to
>> >> >>> come.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>     Cheers,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>     Joseph
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>     Joseph S. Lee
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>     Student (communication studies), California State University,
>> Los
>> >> >>>     Angeles
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>     Code contributor and add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader
>> project
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>     Certified NVDA Expert, 2019
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>     Founding chair, NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon
>> >> >>> –
>> >> >>>     2014 to 2016
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > Quentin Christensen
>> > Training and Support Manager
>> >
>> > Web: www.nvaccess.org
>> > Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>> > Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
>> > User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
>> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> > Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Web: www.nvaccess.org
> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>
>
>
>
>
>







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Re: NVDACon 2020 post-mortem analysis: success, moving to a different platform, Twitter feed

Robert Hänggi
 

On 08/12/2020, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,



it was a pleasure to work with all of you together also this year,
especially Robert, Laura, Austin and Derek really great job in organizing it
this year. Even though I couldn’t participate in organizational meetings and
so on, I tried to follow the conversations and to help when was possible. I
have the feeling that the NVDACon team gets stronger and grows in a
sustainable way which makes me really lucky to see.



Regarding zoom, I explored this opportunity last year and had two long
conversations with the Zoom people trying to negociate a meaningful plan
which is teylored for NVDACon. I ended up at about 145 USD per month, if we
include full recording features, 10 moderator accounts, full webinar
features and so on. My conclusion was as follows:

* The best way would be to rent a Zoom pro account from an organization
which already uses it regularly (cheapest way I would say)
Exactly so although I don't like the affiliation, dependants and
overall problems on coordination that it is involved.

* Zoom doesn’t offer weekend plans
* We need a backup through an NGO to get discount
* We need an account for NVDACon to begin fund raising throughout the
community (i.e. a paypal account)
Although we have a donate button, I wonder if there were ever payments
made through it to the NVDA project.
All in all, it needs much more than a button. We need funnels, opt-ins
and most important a mailing list (gimp like) to bind users
permanently.
This isn't just for fund raising but also to extract valid data about
the regular emails that we send (were they opened, were the links
clicked etc).
Apart from that, it is just convenient to set up emails beforehand and
reminders (e.g. for the conference start) go out automatically.

* We need to think about an alternative conference format, moderating a Zoom
conference which takes three days long is really really not an easy job,
especially if we want to avoid what happened during Opening forum this
year.
As a side-note, did someone ever attend a zoom meeting like our forums
where any user can speak at any time?
The meetings that I've attended were all just directed by a single
host and participants had to raise their hands to speak.



Let me know your thoughts and I can start negociations with them again.

I will also try to find a solution for getting a Zoom pro account to test a
one day conference, maybe in February.



Doug Lee and me we’re preparing an overview of the platforms out there and
will try to find what the best is for NVDACon.
The features that go into the workbook are not a two-men decision, are they?
Because that's how one could interpret this sentence.

Best
Robert


Best regards

Adriani





Von: intl@NVDACon.groups.io <intl@NVDACon.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Iván
Novegil via groups.io
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An: intl@NVDACon.groups.io
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a different platform, Twitter feed



Hi.



According to what I've seen, Zoom can be paid month-by-month, but the web
offers anual plans by default. Anual prices are usually equal to 10 months.

Additionally, for nonprofit organizations, at least here in spain, zoom
seems to offer a 50% discount on all plans, 1 plan request per organization
per year, via Techsoup. As Techsoup is an international company, I think
similar offers would be available in other countries.

I don't think moving from TeamTalk is a fundamental need for conferences
such as NVDACon or our local meeting, but to be honest some people was
complaining about TeamTalk also during our last conference, held in last
month; however there wasn't such a strong debate as in NVDACon's openning
forum.



Regards.



Congratulations on all your work. Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editor
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O 08/12/2020 á(s) 2:20, Robert Hänggi escribiu:

Thanks Quentin for the kind words

I must say it was such a pleasure and so inspirational to work with
you one to one that I didn't mind staying up wide into the small hours
(like now where it is 2:00 am here).
Especially in the first weeks when I felt like doing a one-man show
and reaching out to you was soothing to my mental balance.
Our "conspiracy" produced some great ideas of which not all could make
it into the conference as yet but they are burnt into our sub
conscience (or just the email archive) so that they could pop up any
time again.
I'm looking forward to work with you again in whichever role that might be.
Cheers
Robert

On 08/12/2020, Quentin Christensen <mailto:quentin@nvaccess.org>
<quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:

Congratulations Joseph, Robert, Derek, Austin, Laura and everyone involved
on running a very successful and well received NVDACon, great job!

Joseph, you will be missed, but you have setup a great foundation and got a
talented group of people holding the fort so enjoy your time away from
running the show next year!

In terms of cost, NV Access are certainly willing to contribute financially
to whatever solution is going to work best for the conference organisers
and participants - although of course we need to be able to justify the
expense as well, and it may be that approaching a particular platform about
sponsorship is worthwhile.

For now, congratulations again on a great conference, and I look forward to
hearing the recordings!

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:48 AM Robert Hänggi
<mailto:aarjay.robert@gmail.com> <aarjay.robert@gmail.com>
wrote:


Hi

Again, for reference, here is the pricing page of zoom:
https://zoom.us/pricing

I'm horrified when I check the feature we want and read the total cost.
I've read comments like "If they can't afford $10 per month, I will
gladly pay it from my own pocket".
This is very misleading. The minimum plan for our purpose costs $200 per
year
The ideal plan (with phone calling, enough participants, live
streaming, multiple rooms, replays, better website integration and so
on) amounts to $1200 per year.

Some people said that we could use their accounts.
I don't know how you feel about it but I don't like the thought to be
dependant on others.
Nonetheless, we will check out the options and Doug lee (as Joseph
said) is composing a workbook with all the possibilities.

Cheers
Robert

On 08/12/2020, Lino Morales <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>
<linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes you are correct James. I wonder between NV Access and
individuals/non for proffit orgs around the world with some promotion
etc. could raise money to use Zoom? If the NVDA community worldwide
starts something like this now that would be great. Yeah I know many
folks can't donate, but if we get said orgs for the blind on board that
would be a running start.

On 12/7/2020 6:27 PM, James Teh wrote:

I'd respectfully point out that Zoom is not free - it actually ends up
being quite costly for something like NVDACon - so it's not simply a
matter of popular opinion. Any proposal to move to an alternative
platform also needs to consider how that platform will be funded
and/or set up.

Jamie

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:08 AM Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com> <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>>
wrote:

I didn't partake in the Con this year, however I vote for Zoom for
2021 and later. As you stated Joseph the hosts have more control.
I'm been crowing about getting Zoom for the past couple of years
pree pandemic. Glad it went well and hope to hear the recordings
soon.

On 12/7/2020 4:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:


Hi all,

First, it was great to see many people at NVDACon 2020. I
personally consider this a successful event despite the pandemic
and its effects. Although we had issues in the beginning, it ran
smoothly, especially as the post-keynote QnA was very extensive.

A few thank you’s:

* Robert Hangi: chairing the organizing committee and upgrading
the pre-keynote experience.
* Laura Cornwell and friends: effective promotion, and for
streaming parts of the conference.
* Austin Pinto and other recording engineers.
* Derek Riemer: infrastructure and providing support.
* NV Access crew: another amazing keynote.
* Presenters: for diversifying the topics.

And most importantly, audience members who shared their passion
for NVDA and giving organizers countless encouragements. Hope the
event served as a healing moment for you.

Second, based on actual experience and post-event feedback, I
would like to suggest that organizers look into a different
platform for NVDACon 2021 and beyond. Of course we have to think
about accessibility and outreach, but mostly to help future
conference moderators perform their tasks more efficiently. Zoom
is a possibility, and Doug Lee apparently organized an Excel
spreadsheet with potential platforms. I would also like to
suggest that when a platform is chosen, organizers meet regularly
using that platform to familiarize themselves as to how to use it
effectively.

Lastly, NVDACon Twitter feed is still alive. The next post from
there will be done when recordings become available.

I announced this after the closing forum, but this is to affirm
that I will not be participating in NVDACon planning for next
year. However, if people want me to, I can give coaching for
presenters upon request – mostly to go over online presentation
etiquette, how to respond to comments, and refining small things
in content. Apart from that, I will be your biggest fan from the
distance.

May the NVDACon continue to bridge the community for years to
come.

Cheers,

Joseph

Joseph S. Lee

Student (communication studies), California State University, Los
Angeles

Code contributor and add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project

Certified NVDA Expert, 2019

Founding chair, NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon –
2014 to 2016



















--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>;
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;
<https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;





















Re: NVDACon 2020 post-mortem analysis: success, moving to a different platform, Twitter feed

Robert Hänggi
 

On 08/12/2020, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Thanks Robert!

Now I don't want to scare you off, but particularly if you are still the
chair next year, I've got YOU in mind to do an NVDA story on in the lead up
to the conference like we did with Justin this year :)
I'm not that jumpy, hahaha.
Good idea, I could start by recording a personal Journal so that I
don't forget what happened when.

Cheers
Robert


Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:20 PM Robert Hänggi <aarjay.robert@gmail.com>
wrote:

Thanks Quentin for the kind words

I must say it was such a pleasure and so inspirational to work with
you one to one that I didn't mind staying up wide into the small hours
(like now where it is 2:00 am here).
Especially in the first weeks when I felt like doing a one-man show
and reaching out to you was soothing to my mental balance.
Our "conspiracy" produced some great ideas of which not all could make
it into the conference as yet but they are burnt into our sub
conscience (or just the email archive) so that they could pop up any
time again.
I'm looking forward to work with you again in whichever role that might
be.
Cheers
Robert

On 08/12/2020, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Congratulations Joseph, Robert, Derek, Austin, Laura and everyone
involved
on running a very successful and well received NVDACon, great job!

Joseph, you will be missed, but you have setup a great foundation and
got a
talented group of people holding the fort so enjoy your time away from
running the show next year!

In terms of cost, NV Access are certainly willing to contribute
financially
to whatever solution is going to work best for the conference
organisers
and participants - although of course we need to be able to justify the
expense as well, and it may be that approaching a particular platform
about
sponsorship is worthwhile.

For now, congratulations again on a great conference, and I look
forward
to
hearing the recordings!

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:48 AM Robert Hänggi <aarjay.robert@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi

Again, for reference, here is the pricing page of zoom:
https://zoom.us/pricing

I'm horrified when I check the feature we want and read the total
cost.
I've read comments like "If they can't afford $10 per month, I will
gladly pay it from my own pocket".
This is very misleading. The minimum plan for our purpose costs $200
per
year
The ideal plan (with phone calling, enough participants, live
streaming, multiple rooms, replays, better website integration and so
on) amounts to $1200 per year.

Some people said that we could use their accounts.
I don't know how you feel about it but I don't like the thought to be
dependant on others.
Nonetheless, we will check out the options and Doug lee (as Joseph
said) is composing a workbook with all the possibilities.

Cheers
Robert

On 08/12/2020, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes you are correct James. I wonder between NV Access and
individuals/non for proffit orgs around the world with some
promotion
etc. could raise money to use Zoom? If the NVDA community worldwide
starts something like this now that would be great. Yeah I know many
folks can't donate, but if we get said orgs for the blind on board
that
would be a running start.

On 12/7/2020 6:27 PM, James Teh wrote:
I'd respectfully point out that Zoom is not free - it actually ends
up
being quite costly for something like NVDACon - so it's not simply
a
matter of popular opinion. Any proposal to move to an alternative
platform also needs to consider how that platform will be funded
and/or set up.

Jamie

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:08 AM Lino Morales <
linomorales001@gmail.com
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

I didn't partake in the Con this year, however I vote for Zoom
for
2021 and later. As you stated Joseph the hosts have more
control.
I'm been crowing about getting Zoom for the past couple of
years
pree pandemic. Glad it went well and hope to hear the
recordings
soon.

On 12/7/2020 4:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

First, it was great to see many people at NVDACon 2020. I
personally consider this a successful event despite the
pandemic
and its effects. Although we had issues in the beginning, it
ran
smoothly, especially as the post-keynote QnA was very
extensive.

A few thank you’s:

* Robert Hangi: chairing the organizing committee and
upgrading
the pre-keynote experience.
* Laura Cornwell and friends: effective promotion, and for
streaming parts of the conference.
* Austin Pinto and other recording engineers.
* Derek Riemer: infrastructure and providing support.
* NV Access crew: another amazing keynote.
* Presenters: for diversifying the topics.

And most importantly, audience members who shared their
passion
for NVDA and giving organizers countless encouragements. Hope
the
event served as a healing moment for you.

Second, based on actual experience and post-event feedback, I
would like to suggest that organizers look into a different
platform for NVDACon 2021 and beyond. Of course we have to
think
about accessibility and outreach, but mostly to help future
conference moderators perform their tasks more efficiently.
Zoom
is a possibility, and Doug Lee apparently organized an Excel
spreadsheet with potential platforms. I would also like to
suggest that when a platform is chosen, organizers meet
regularly
using that platform to familiarize themselves as to how to use
it
effectively.

Lastly, NVDACon Twitter feed is still alive. The next post
from
there will be done when recordings become available.

I announced this after the closing forum, but this is to
affirm
that I will not be participating in NVDACon planning for next
year. However, if people want me to, I can give coaching for
presenters upon request – mostly to go over online
presentation
etiquette, how to respond to comments, and refining small
things
in content. Apart from that, I will be your biggest fan from
the
distance.

May the NVDACon continue to bridge the community for years to
come.

Cheers,

Joseph

Joseph S. Lee

Student (communication studies), California State University,
Los
Angeles

Code contributor and add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader
project

Certified NVDA Expert, 2019

Founding chair, NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon

2014 to 2016








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;









--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;






Re: NVDACon 2020 post-mortem analysis: success, moving to a different platform, Twitter feed

Robert Hänggi
 

On 08/12/2020, Iván Novegil via groups.io
<ivan.novegil=nvda.es@groups.io> wrote:
Hi.


According to what I've seen, Zoom can be paid month-by-month, but the
web offers anual plans by default. Anual prices are usually equal to 10
months.
I could live with a monthly payment. The only problem is that you have
to cancel the subscription each year after the month of the conference
because they renew it by default.

Robert

Additionally, for nonprofit organizations, at least here in spain, zoom
seems to offer a 50% discount on all plans, 1 plan request per
organization per year, via Techsoup. As Techsoup is an international
company, I think similar offers would be available in other countries.

I don't think moving from TeamTalk is a fundamental need for conferences
such as NVDACon or our local meeting, but to be honest some people was
complaining about TeamTalk also during our last conference, held in last
month; however there wasn't such a strong debate as in NVDACon's
openning forum.


Regards.


Congratulations on all your work. Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editor
ivan.novegil@nvda.es <mailto:ivan.novegil@nvda.es>
Experto certificado en NVDA <https://certification.nvaccess.org>;

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O 08/12/2020 á(s) 2:20, Robert Hänggi escribiu:
Thanks Quentin for the kind words

I must say it was such a pleasure and so inspirational to work with
you one to one that I didn't mind staying up wide into the small hours
(like now where it is 2:00 am here).
Especially in the first weeks when I felt like doing a one-man show
and reaching out to you was soothing to my mental balance.
Our "conspiracy" produced some great ideas of which not all could make
it into the conference as yet but they are burnt into our sub
conscience (or just the email archive) so that they could pop up any
time again.
I'm looking forward to work with you again in whichever role that might
be.
Cheers
Robert

On 08/12/2020, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Congratulations Joseph, Robert, Derek, Austin, Laura and everyone
involved
on running a very successful and well received NVDACon, great job!

Joseph, you will be missed, but you have setup a great foundation and got
a
talented group of people holding the fort so enjoy your time away from
running the show next year!

In terms of cost, NV Access are certainly willing to contribute
financially
to whatever solution is going to work best for the conference organisers
and participants - although of course we need to be able to justify the
expense as well, and it may be that approaching a particular platform
about
sponsorship is worthwhile.

For now, congratulations again on a great conference, and I look forward
to
hearing the recordings!

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:48 AM Robert Hänggi <aarjay.robert@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi

Again, for reference, here is the pricing page of zoom:
https://zoom.us/pricing

I'm horrified when I check the feature we want and read the total cost.
I've read comments like "If they can't afford $10 per month, I will
gladly pay it from my own pocket".
This is very misleading. The minimum plan for our purpose costs $200
per
year
The ideal plan (with phone calling, enough participants, live
streaming, multiple rooms, replays, better website integration and so
on) amounts to $1200 per year.

Some people said that we could use their accounts.
I don't know how you feel about it but I don't like the thought to be
dependant on others.
Nonetheless, we will check out the options and Doug lee (as Joseph
said) is composing a workbook with all the possibilities.

Cheers
Robert

On 08/12/2020, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes you are correct James. I wonder between NV Access and
individuals/non for proffit orgs around the world with some promotion
etc. could raise money to use Zoom? If the NVDA community worldwide
starts something like this now that would be great. Yeah I know many
folks can't donate, but if we get said orgs for the blind on board
that
would be a running start.

On 12/7/2020 6:27 PM, James Teh wrote:
I'd respectfully point out that Zoom is not free - it actually ends
up
being quite costly for something like NVDACon - so it's not simply a
matter of popular opinion. Any proposal to move to an alternative
platform also needs to consider how that platform will be funded
and/or set up.

Jamie

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:08 AM Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

I didn't partake in the Con this year, however I vote for Zoom
for
2021 and later. As you stated Joseph the hosts have more
control.
I'm been crowing about getting Zoom for the past couple of years
pree pandemic. Glad it went well and hope to hear the recordings
soon.

On 12/7/2020 4:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi all,

First, it was great to see many people at NVDACon 2020. I
personally consider this a successful event despite the
pandemic
and its effects. Although we had issues in the beginning, it
ran
smoothly, especially as the post-keynote QnA was very
extensive.

A few thank you’s:

* Robert Hangi: chairing the organizing committee and
upgrading
the pre-keynote experience.
* Laura Cornwell and friends: effective promotion, and for
streaming parts of the conference.
* Austin Pinto and other recording engineers.
* Derek Riemer: infrastructure and providing support.
* NV Access crew: another amazing keynote.
* Presenters: for diversifying the topics.

And most importantly, audience members who shared their passion
for NVDA and giving organizers countless encouragements. Hope
the
event served as a healing moment for you.

Second, based on actual experience and post-event feedback, I
would like to suggest that organizers look into a different
platform for NVDACon 2021 and beyond. Of course we have to
think
about accessibility and outreach, but mostly to help future
conference moderators perform their tasks more efficiently.
Zoom
is a possibility, and Doug Lee apparently organized an Excel
spreadsheet with potential platforms. I would also like to
suggest that when a platform is chosen, organizers meet
regularly
using that platform to familiarize themselves as to how to use
it
effectively.

Lastly, NVDACon Twitter feed is still alive. The next post from
there will be done when recordings become available.

I announced this after the closing forum, but this is to affirm
that I will not be participating in NVDACon planning for next
year. However, if people want me to, I can give coaching for
presenters upon request – mostly to go over online presentation
etiquette, how to respond to comments, and refining small
things
in content. Apart from that, I will be your biggest fan from
the
distance.

May the NVDACon continue to bridge the community for years to
come.

Cheers,

Joseph

Joseph S. Lee

Student (communication studies), California State University,
Los
Angeles

Code contributor and add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader
project

Certified NVDA Expert, 2019

Founding chair, NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon –
2014 to 2016






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;












Re: NVDACon 2020 post-mortem analysis: success, moving to a different platform, Twitter feed

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

 

it was a pleasure to work with all of you together also this year, especially Robert, Laura, Austin and Derek really great job in organizing it this year. Even though I couldn’t participate in organizational meetings and so on, I tried to follow the conversations and to help when was possible. I have the feeling that the NVDACon team gets stronger and grows in a sustainable way which makes me really lucky to see.

 

Regarding zoom, I explored this opportunity last year and had two long conversations with the Zoom people trying to negociate a meaningful plan which is teylored for NVDACon. I ended up at about 145 USD per month, if we include full recording features, 10 moderator accounts, full webinar features and so on. My conclusion was as follows:

  • The best way would be to rent a Zoom pro account from an organization which already uses it regularly (cheapest way I would say)
  • Zoom doesn’t offer weekend plans
  • We need a backup through an NGO to get discount
  • We need an account for NVDACon to begin fund raising throughout the community (i.e. a paypal account)
  • We need to think about an alternative conference format, moderating a Zoom conference which takes three days long is really really not an easy job, especially if we want to avoid what happened during Opening forum this year.

 

Let me know your thoughts and I can start negociations with them again.

I will also try to find a solution for getting a Zoom pro account to test a one day conference, maybe in February.

 

Doug Lee and me we’re preparing an overview of the platforms out there and will try to find what the best is for NVDACon.

 

Best regards

Adriani

 

 

Von: intl@NVDACon.groups.io <intl@NVDACon.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Iván Novegil via groups.io
Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2020 03:18
An: intl@NVDACon.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [NVDACon] NVDACon 2020 post-mortem analysis: success, moving to a different platform, Twitter feed

 

Hi.

 

According to what I've seen, Zoom can be paid month-by-month, but the web offers anual plans by default. Anual prices are usually equal to 10 months.

Additionally, for nonprofit organizations, at least here in spain, zoom seems to offer a 50% discount on all plans, 1 plan request per organization per year, via Techsoup. As Techsoup is an international company, I think similar offers would be available in other countries.

I don't think moving from TeamTalk is a fundamental need for conferences such as NVDACon or our local meeting, but to be honest some people was complaining about TeamTalk also during our last conference, held in last month; however there wasn't such a strong debate as in NVDACon's openning forum.

 

Regards.

 

Congratulations on all your work. Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editor
ivan.novegil@...


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O 08/12/2020 á(s) 2:20, Robert Hänggi escribiu:

Thanks Quentin for the kind words
 
I must say it was such a pleasure and so inspirational to work with
you one to one that I didn't mind staying up wide into the small hours
(like now where it is 2:00 am here).
Especially in the first weeks when I felt like doing a one-man show
and reaching out to you was soothing to my mental balance.
Our "conspiracy" produced some great ideas of which not all could make
it into the conference as yet but they are burnt into our sub
conscience (or just the email archive) so that they could pop up any
time again.
I'm looking forward to work with you again in whichever role that might be.
Cheers
Robert
 
On 08/12/2020, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Congratulations Joseph, Robert, Derek, Austin, Laura and everyone involved
on running a very successful and well received NVDACon, great job!
 
Joseph, you will be missed, but you have setup a great foundation and got a
talented group of people holding the fort so enjoy your time away from
running the show next year!
 
In terms of cost, NV Access are certainly willing to contribute financially
to whatever solution is going to work best for the conference organisers
and participants - although of course we need to be able to justify the
expense as well, and it may be that approaching a particular platform about
sponsorship is worthwhile.
 
For now, congratulations again on a great conference, and I look forward to
hearing the recordings!
 
Quentin.
 
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:48 AM Robert Hänggi <aarjay.robert@...>
wrote:
 
Hi
 
Again, for reference, here is the pricing page of zoom:
https://zoom.us/pricing
 
I'm horrified when I check the feature we want and read the total cost.
I've read comments like "If they can't afford $10 per month, I will
gladly pay it from my own pocket".
This is very misleading. The minimum plan for our purpose costs $200 per
year
The ideal plan (with phone calling, enough participants, live
streaming, multiple rooms, replays, better website integration and so
on) amounts to $1200 per year.
 
Some people said that we could use their accounts.
I don't know how you feel about it but I don't like the thought to be
dependant on others.
Nonetheless, we will check out the options and Doug lee (as Joseph
said) is composing a workbook with all the possibilities.
 
Cheers
Robert
 
On 08/12/2020, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
Yes you are correct James. I wonder between NV Access and
individuals/non for proffit orgs around the world with some promotion
etc. could raise money to use Zoom? If the NVDA community worldwide
starts something like this now that would be great. Yeah I know many
folks can't donate, but if we get said orgs for the blind on board that
would be a running start.
 
On 12/7/2020 6:27 PM, James Teh wrote:
I'd respectfully point out that Zoom is not free - it actually ends up
being quite costly for something like NVDACon - so it's not simply a
matter of popular opinion. Any proposal to move to an alternative
platform also needs to consider how that platform will be funded
and/or set up.
 
Jamie
 
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:08 AM Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
<mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
 
    I didn't partake in the Con this year, however I vote for Zoom for
    2021 and later. As you stated Joseph the hosts have more control.
    I'm been crowing about getting Zoom for the past couple of years
    pree pandemic. Glad it went well and hope to hear the recordings
soon.
 
    On 12/7/2020 4:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
 
    Hi all,
 
    First, it was great to see many people at NVDACon 2020. I
    personally consider this a successful event despite the pandemic
    and its effects. Although we had issues in the beginning, it ran
    smoothly, especially as the post-keynote QnA was very extensive.
 
    A few thank you’s:
 
      * Robert Hangi: chairing the organizing committee and upgrading
        the pre-keynote experience.
      * Laura Cornwell and friends: effective promotion, and for
        streaming parts of the conference.
      * Austin Pinto and other recording engineers.
      * Derek Riemer: infrastructure and providing support.
      * NV Access crew: another amazing keynote.
      * Presenters: for diversifying the topics.
 
    And most importantly, audience members who shared their passion
    for NVDA and giving organizers countless encouragements. Hope the
    event served as a healing moment for you.
 
    Second, based on actual experience and post-event feedback, I
    would like to suggest that organizers look into a different
    platform for NVDACon 2021 and beyond. Of course we have to think
    about accessibility and outreach, but mostly to help future
    conference moderators perform their tasks more efficiently. Zoom
    is a possibility, and Doug Lee apparently organized an Excel
    spreadsheet with potential platforms. I would also like to
    suggest that when a platform is chosen, organizers meet regularly
    using that platform to familiarize themselves as to how to use it
    effectively.
 
    Lastly, NVDACon Twitter feed is still alive. The next post from
    there will be done when recordings become available.
 
    I announced this after the closing forum, but this is to affirm
    that I will not be participating in NVDACon planning for next
    year. However, if people want me to, I can give coaching for
    presenters upon request – mostly to go over online presentation
    etiquette, how to respond to comments, and refining small things
    in content. Apart from that, I will be your biggest fan from the
    distance.
 
    May the NVDACon continue to bridge the community for years to
come.
 
    Cheers,
 
    Joseph
 
    Joseph S. Lee
 
    Student (communication studies), California State University, Los
    Angeles
 
    Code contributor and add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project
 
    Certified NVDA Expert, 2019
 
    Founding chair, NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon –
    2014 to 2016
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
 
Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: NVDACon 2020 post-mortem analysis: success, moving to a different platform, Twitter feed

Iván Novegil
 

Hi.


According to what I've seen, Zoom can be paid month-by-month, but the web offers anual plans by default. Anual prices are usually equal to 10 months.

Additionally, for nonprofit organizations, at least here in spain, zoom seems to offer a 50% discount on all plans, 1 plan request per organization per year, via Techsoup. As Techsoup is an international company, I think similar offers would be available in other countries.

I don't think moving from TeamTalk is a fundamental need for conferences such as NVDACon or our local meeting, but to be honest some people was complaining about TeamTalk also during our last conference, held in last month; however there wasn't such a strong debate as in NVDACon's openning forum.


Regards.


Congratulations on all your work. Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
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O 08/12/2020 á(s) 2:20, Robert Hänggi escribiu:

Thanks Quentin for the kind words

I must say it was such a pleasure and so inspirational to work with
you one to one that I didn't mind staying up wide into the small hours
(like now where it is 2:00 am here).
Especially in the first weeks when I felt like doing a one-man show
and reaching out to you was soothing to my mental balance.
Our "conspiracy" produced some great ideas of which not all could make
it into the conference as yet but they are burnt into our sub
conscience (or just the email archive) so that they could pop up any
time again.
I'm looking forward to work with you again in whichever role that might be.
Cheers
Robert

On 08/12/2020, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Congratulations Joseph, Robert, Derek, Austin, Laura and everyone involved
on running a very successful and well received NVDACon, great job!

Joseph, you will be missed, but you have setup a great foundation and got a
talented group of people holding the fort so enjoy your time away from
running the show next year!

In terms of cost, NV Access are certainly willing to contribute financially
to whatever solution is going to work best for the conference organisers
and participants - although of course we need to be able to justify the
expense as well, and it may be that approaching a particular platform about
sponsorship is worthwhile.

For now, congratulations again on a great conference, and I look forward to
hearing the recordings!

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:48 AM Robert Hänggi <aarjay.robert@...>
wrote:

Hi

Again, for reference, here is the pricing page of zoom:
https://zoom.us/pricing

I'm horrified when I check the feature we want and read the total cost.
I've read comments like "If they can't afford $10 per month, I will
gladly pay it from my own pocket".
This is very misleading. The minimum plan for our purpose costs $200 per
year
The ideal plan (with phone calling, enough participants, live
streaming, multiple rooms, replays, better website integration and so
on) amounts to $1200 per year.

Some people said that we could use their accounts.
I don't know how you feel about it but I don't like the thought to be
dependant on others.
Nonetheless, we will check out the options and Doug lee (as Joseph
said) is composing a workbook with all the possibilities.

Cheers
Robert

On 08/12/2020, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
Yes you are correct James. I wonder between NV Access and
individuals/non for proffit orgs around the world with some promotion
etc. could raise money to use Zoom? If the NVDA community worldwide
starts something like this now that would be great. Yeah I know many
folks can't donate, but if we get said orgs for the blind on board that
would be a running start.

On 12/7/2020 6:27 PM, James Teh wrote:
I'd respectfully point out that Zoom is not free - it actually ends up
being quite costly for something like NVDACon - so it's not simply a
matter of popular opinion. Any proposal to move to an alternative
platform also needs to consider how that platform will be funded
and/or set up.

Jamie

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:08 AM Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
<mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:

    I didn't partake in the Con this year, however I vote for Zoom for
    2021 and later. As you stated Joseph the hosts have more control.
    I'm been crowing about getting Zoom for the past couple of years
    pree pandemic. Glad it went well and hope to hear the recordings
soon.

    On 12/7/2020 4:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
    Hi all,

    First, it was great to see many people at NVDACon 2020. I
    personally consider this a successful event despite the pandemic
    and its effects. Although we had issues in the beginning, it ran
    smoothly, especially as the post-keynote QnA was very extensive.

    A few thank you’s:

      * Robert Hangi: chairing the organizing committee and upgrading
        the pre-keynote experience.
      * Laura Cornwell and friends: effective promotion, and for
        streaming parts of the conference.
      * Austin Pinto and other recording engineers.
      * Derek Riemer: infrastructure and providing support.
      * NV Access crew: another amazing keynote.
      * Presenters: for diversifying the topics.

    And most importantly, audience members who shared their passion
    for NVDA and giving organizers countless encouragements. Hope the
    event served as a healing moment for you.

    Second, based on actual experience and post-event feedback, I
    would like to suggest that organizers look into a different
    platform for NVDACon 2021 and beyond. Of course we have to think
    about accessibility and outreach, but mostly to help future
    conference moderators perform their tasks more efficiently. Zoom
    is a possibility, and Doug Lee apparently organized an Excel
    spreadsheet with potential platforms. I would also like to
    suggest that when a platform is chosen, organizers meet regularly
    using that platform to familiarize themselves as to how to use it
    effectively.

    Lastly, NVDACon Twitter feed is still alive. The next post from
    there will be done when recordings become available.

    I announced this after the closing forum, but this is to affirm
    that I will not be participating in NVDACon planning for next
    year. However, if people want me to, I can give coaching for
    presenters upon request – mostly to go over online presentation
    etiquette, how to respond to comments, and refining small things
    in content. Apart from that, I will be your biggest fan from the
    distance.

    May the NVDACon continue to bridge the community for years to
come.

    Cheers,

    Joseph

    Joseph S. Lee

    Student (communication studies), California State University, Los
    Angeles

    Code contributor and add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project

    Certified NVDA Expert, 2019

    Founding chair, NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon –
    2014 to 2016


            










--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>











Re: NVDACon 2020 post-mortem analysis: success, moving to a different platform, Twitter feed

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Robert!

Now I don't want to scare you off, but particularly if you are still the chair next year, I've got YOU in mind to do an NVDA story on in the lead up to the conference like we did with Justin this year :)

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:20 PM Robert Hänggi <aarjay.robert@...> wrote:
Thanks Quentin for the kind words

I must say it was such a pleasure and so inspirational to work with
you one to one that I didn't mind staying up wide into the small hours
(like now where it is 2:00 am here).
Especially in the first weeks when I felt like doing a one-man show
and reaching out to you was soothing to my mental balance.
Our "conspiracy" produced some great ideas of which not all could make
it into the conference as yet but they are burnt into our sub
conscience (or just the email archive) so that they could pop up any
time again.
I'm looking forward to work with you again in whichever role that might be.
Cheers
Robert

On 08/12/2020, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Congratulations Joseph, Robert, Derek, Austin, Laura and everyone involved
> on running a very successful and well received NVDACon, great job!
>
> Joseph, you will be missed, but you have setup a great foundation and got a
> talented group of people holding the fort so enjoy your time away from
> running the show next year!
>
> In terms of cost, NV Access are certainly willing to contribute financially
> to whatever solution is going to work best for the conference organisers
> and participants - although of course we need to be able to justify the
> expense as well, and it may be that approaching a particular platform about
> sponsorship is worthwhile.
>
> For now, congratulations again on a great conference, and I look forward to
> hearing the recordings!
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:48 AM Robert Hänggi <aarjay.robert@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Again, for reference, here is the pricing page of zoom:
>> https://zoom.us/pricing
>>
>> I'm horrified when I check the feature we want and read the total cost.
>> I've read comments like "If they can't afford $10 per month, I will
>> gladly pay it from my own pocket".
>> This is very misleading. The minimum plan for our purpose costs $200 per
>> year
>> The ideal plan (with phone calling, enough participants, live
>> streaming, multiple rooms, replays, better website integration and so
>> on) amounts to $1200 per year.
>>
>> Some people said that we could use their accounts.
>> I don't know how you feel about it but I don't like the thought to be
>> dependant on others.
>> Nonetheless, we will check out the options and Doug lee (as Joseph
>> said) is composing a workbook with all the possibilities.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Robert
>>
>> On 08/12/2020, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
>> > Yes you are correct James. I wonder between NV Access and
>> > individuals/non for proffit orgs around the world with some promotion
>> > etc. could raise money to use Zoom? If the NVDA community worldwide
>> > starts something like this now that would be great. Yeah I know many
>> > folks can't donate, but if we get said orgs for the blind on board that
>> > would be a running start.
>> >
>> > On 12/7/2020 6:27 PM, James Teh wrote:
>> >> I'd respectfully point out that Zoom is not free - it actually ends up
>> >> being quite costly for something like NVDACon - so it's not simply a
>> >> matter of popular opinion. Any proposal to move to an alternative
>> >> platform also needs to consider how that platform will be funded
>> >> and/or set up.
>> >>
>> >> Jamie
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:08 AM Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
>> >> <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>     I didn't partake in the Con this year, however I vote for Zoom for
>> >>     2021 and later. As you stated Joseph the hosts have more control.
>> >>     I'm been crowing about getting Zoom for the past couple of years
>> >>     pree pandemic. Glad it went well and hope to hear the recordings
>> >> soon.
>> >>
>> >>     On 12/7/2020 4:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>     Hi all,
>> >>>
>> >>>     First, it was great to see many people at NVDACon 2020. I
>> >>>     personally consider this a successful event despite the pandemic
>> >>>     and its effects. Although we had issues in the beginning, it ran
>> >>>     smoothly, especially as the post-keynote QnA was very extensive.
>> >>>
>> >>>     A few thank you’s:
>> >>>
>> >>>       * Robert Hangi: chairing the organizing committee and upgrading
>> >>>         the pre-keynote experience.
>> >>>       * Laura Cornwell and friends: effective promotion, and for
>> >>>         streaming parts of the conference.
>> >>>       * Austin Pinto and other recording engineers.
>> >>>       * Derek Riemer: infrastructure and providing support.
>> >>>       * NV Access crew: another amazing keynote.
>> >>>       * Presenters: for diversifying the topics.
>> >>>
>> >>>     And most importantly, audience members who shared their passion
>> >>>     for NVDA and giving organizers countless encouragements. Hope the
>> >>>     event served as a healing moment for you.
>> >>>
>> >>>     Second, based on actual experience and post-event feedback, I
>> >>>     would like to suggest that organizers look into a different
>> >>>     platform for NVDACon 2021 and beyond. Of course we have to think
>> >>>     about accessibility and outreach, but mostly to help future
>> >>>     conference moderators perform their tasks more efficiently. Zoom
>> >>>     is a possibility, and Doug Lee apparently organized an Excel
>> >>>     spreadsheet with potential platforms. I would also like to
>> >>>     suggest that when a platform is chosen, organizers meet regularly
>> >>>     using that platform to familiarize themselves as to how to use it
>> >>>     effectively.
>> >>>
>> >>>     Lastly, NVDACon Twitter feed is still alive. The next post from
>> >>>     there will be done when recordings become available.
>> >>>
>> >>>     I announced this after the closing forum, but this is to affirm
>> >>>     that I will not be participating in NVDACon planning for next
>> >>>     year. However, if people want me to, I can give coaching for
>> >>>     presenters upon request – mostly to go over online presentation
>> >>>     etiquette, how to respond to comments, and refining small things
>> >>>     in content. Apart from that, I will be your biggest fan from the
>> >>>     distance.
>> >>>
>> >>>     May the NVDACon continue to bridge the community for years to
>> >>> come.
>> >>>
>> >>>     Cheers,
>> >>>
>> >>>     Joseph
>> >>>
>> >>>     Joseph S. Lee
>> >>>
>> >>>     Student (communication studies), California State University, Los
>> >>>     Angeles
>> >>>
>> >>>     Code contributor and add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project
>> >>>
>> >>>     Certified NVDA Expert, 2019
>> >>>
>> >>>     Founding chair, NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon –
>> >>>     2014 to 2016
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Web: www.nvaccess.org
> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>
>
>
>
>
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: NVDACon 2020 post-mortem analysis: success, moving to a different platform, Twitter feed

Robert Hänggi
 

Thanks Quentin for the kind words

I must say it was such a pleasure and so inspirational to work with
you one to one that I didn't mind staying up wide into the small hours
(like now where it is 2:00 am here).
Especially in the first weeks when I felt like doing a one-man show
and reaching out to you was soothing to my mental balance.
Our "conspiracy" produced some great ideas of which not all could make
it into the conference as yet but they are burnt into our sub
conscience (or just the email archive) so that they could pop up any
time again.
I'm looking forward to work with you again in whichever role that might be.
Cheers
Robert

On 08/12/2020, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Congratulations Joseph, Robert, Derek, Austin, Laura and everyone involved
on running a very successful and well received NVDACon, great job!

Joseph, you will be missed, but you have setup a great foundation and got a
talented group of people holding the fort so enjoy your time away from
running the show next year!

In terms of cost, NV Access are certainly willing to contribute financially
to whatever solution is going to work best for the conference organisers
and participants - although of course we need to be able to justify the
expense as well, and it may be that approaching a particular platform about
sponsorship is worthwhile.

For now, congratulations again on a great conference, and I look forward to
hearing the recordings!

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:48 AM Robert Hänggi <aarjay.robert@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi

Again, for reference, here is the pricing page of zoom:
https://zoom.us/pricing

I'm horrified when I check the feature we want and read the total cost.
I've read comments like "If they can't afford $10 per month, I will
gladly pay it from my own pocket".
This is very misleading. The minimum plan for our purpose costs $200 per
year
The ideal plan (with phone calling, enough participants, live
streaming, multiple rooms, replays, better website integration and so
on) amounts to $1200 per year.

Some people said that we could use their accounts.
I don't know how you feel about it but I don't like the thought to be
dependant on others.
Nonetheless, we will check out the options and Doug lee (as Joseph
said) is composing a workbook with all the possibilities.

Cheers
Robert

On 08/12/2020, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes you are correct James. I wonder between NV Access and
individuals/non for proffit orgs around the world with some promotion
etc. could raise money to use Zoom? If the NVDA community worldwide
starts something like this now that would be great. Yeah I know many
folks can't donate, but if we get said orgs for the blind on board that
would be a running start.

On 12/7/2020 6:27 PM, James Teh wrote:
I'd respectfully point out that Zoom is not free - it actually ends up
being quite costly for something like NVDACon - so it's not simply a
matter of popular opinion. Any proposal to move to an alternative
platform also needs to consider how that platform will be funded
and/or set up.

Jamie

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:08 AM Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

I didn't partake in the Con this year, however I vote for Zoom for
2021 and later. As you stated Joseph the hosts have more control.
I'm been crowing about getting Zoom for the past couple of years
pree pandemic. Glad it went well and hope to hear the recordings
soon.

On 12/7/2020 4:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

First, it was great to see many people at NVDACon 2020. I
personally consider this a successful event despite the pandemic
and its effects. Although we had issues in the beginning, it ran
smoothly, especially as the post-keynote QnA was very extensive.

A few thank you’s:

* Robert Hangi: chairing the organizing committee and upgrading
the pre-keynote experience.
* Laura Cornwell and friends: effective promotion, and for
streaming parts of the conference.
* Austin Pinto and other recording engineers.
* Derek Riemer: infrastructure and providing support.
* NV Access crew: another amazing keynote.
* Presenters: for diversifying the topics.

And most importantly, audience members who shared their passion
for NVDA and giving organizers countless encouragements. Hope the
event served as a healing moment for you.

Second, based on actual experience and post-event feedback, I
would like to suggest that organizers look into a different
platform for NVDACon 2021 and beyond. Of course we have to think
about accessibility and outreach, but mostly to help future
conference moderators perform their tasks more efficiently. Zoom
is a possibility, and Doug Lee apparently organized an Excel
spreadsheet with potential platforms. I would also like to
suggest that when a platform is chosen, organizers meet regularly
using that platform to familiarize themselves as to how to use it
effectively.

Lastly, NVDACon Twitter feed is still alive. The next post from
there will be done when recordings become available.

I announced this after the closing forum, but this is to affirm
that I will not be participating in NVDACon planning for next
year. However, if people want me to, I can give coaching for
presenters upon request – mostly to go over online presentation
etiquette, how to respond to comments, and refining small things
in content. Apart from that, I will be your biggest fan from the
distance.

May the NVDACon continue to bridge the community for years to
come.

Cheers,

Joseph

Joseph S. Lee

Student (communication studies), California State University, Los
Angeles

Code contributor and add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project

Certified NVDA Expert, 2019

Founding chair, NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon –
2014 to 2016








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;






Re: NVDACon 2020 post-mortem analysis: success, moving to a different platform, Twitter feed

Quentin Christensen
 

Congratulations Joseph, Robert, Derek, Austin, Laura and everyone involved on running a very successful and well received NVDACon, great job!

Joseph, you will be missed, but you have setup a great foundation and got a talented group of people holding the fort so enjoy your time away from running the show next year!

In terms of cost, NV Access are certainly willing to contribute financially to whatever solution is going to work best for the conference organisers and participants - although of course we need to be able to justify the expense as well, and it may be that approaching a particular platform about sponsorship is worthwhile.

For now, congratulations again on a great conference, and I look forward to hearing the recordings!

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:48 AM Robert Hänggi <aarjay.robert@...> wrote:
Hi

Again, for reference, here is the pricing page of zoom:
https://zoom.us/pricing

I'm horrified when I check the feature we want and read the total cost.
I've read comments like "If they can't afford $10 per month, I will
gladly pay it from my own pocket".
This is very misleading. The minimum plan for our purpose costs $200 per year
The ideal plan (with phone calling, enough participants, live
streaming, multiple rooms, replays, better website integration and so
on) amounts to $1200 per year.

Some people said that we could use their accounts.
I don't know how you feel about it but I don't like the thought to be
dependant on others.
Nonetheless, we will check out the options and Doug lee (as Joseph
said) is composing a workbook with all the possibilities.

Cheers
Robert

On 08/12/2020, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
> Yes you are correct James. I wonder between NV Access and
> individuals/non for proffit orgs around the world with some promotion
> etc. could raise money to use Zoom? If the NVDA community worldwide
> starts something like this now that would be great. Yeah I know many
> folks can't donate, but if we get said orgs for the blind on board that
> would be a running start.
>
> On 12/7/2020 6:27 PM, James Teh wrote:
>> I'd respectfully point out that Zoom is not free - it actually ends up
>> being quite costly for something like NVDACon - so it's not simply a
>> matter of popular opinion. Any proposal to move to an alternative
>> platform also needs to consider how that platform will be funded
>> and/or set up.
>>
>> Jamie
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:08 AM Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
>> <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     I didn't partake in the Con this year, however I vote for Zoom for
>>     2021 and later. As you stated Joseph the hosts have more control.
>>     I'm been crowing about getting Zoom for the past couple of years
>>     pree pandemic. Glad it went well and hope to hear the recordings
>> soon.
>>
>>     On 12/7/2020 4:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi all,
>>>
>>>     First, it was great to see many people at NVDACon 2020. I
>>>     personally consider this a successful event despite the pandemic
>>>     and its effects. Although we had issues in the beginning, it ran
>>>     smoothly, especially as the post-keynote QnA was very extensive.
>>>
>>>     A few thank you’s:
>>>
>>>       * Robert Hangi: chairing the organizing committee and upgrading
>>>         the pre-keynote experience.
>>>       * Laura Cornwell and friends: effective promotion, and for
>>>         streaming parts of the conference.
>>>       * Austin Pinto and other recording engineers.
>>>       * Derek Riemer: infrastructure and providing support.
>>>       * NV Access crew: another amazing keynote.
>>>       * Presenters: for diversifying the topics.
>>>
>>>     And most importantly, audience members who shared their passion
>>>     for NVDA and giving organizers countless encouragements. Hope the
>>>     event served as a healing moment for you.
>>>
>>>     Second, based on actual experience and post-event feedback, I
>>>     would like to suggest that organizers look into a different
>>>     platform for NVDACon 2021 and beyond. Of course we have to think
>>>     about accessibility and outreach, but mostly to help future
>>>     conference moderators perform their tasks more efficiently. Zoom
>>>     is a possibility, and Doug Lee apparently organized an Excel
>>>     spreadsheet with potential platforms. I would also like to
>>>     suggest that when a platform is chosen, organizers meet regularly
>>>     using that platform to familiarize themselves as to how to use it
>>>     effectively.
>>>
>>>     Lastly, NVDACon Twitter feed is still alive. The next post from
>>>     there will be done when recordings become available.
>>>
>>>     I announced this after the closing forum, but this is to affirm
>>>     that I will not be participating in NVDACon planning for next
>>>     year. However, if people want me to, I can give coaching for
>>>     presenters upon request – mostly to go over online presentation
>>>     etiquette, how to respond to comments, and refining small things
>>>     in content. Apart from that, I will be your biggest fan from the
>>>     distance.
>>>
>>>     May the NVDACon continue to bridge the community for years to come.
>>>
>>>     Cheers,
>>>
>>>     Joseph
>>>
>>>     Joseph S. Lee
>>>
>>>     Student (communication studies), California State University, Los
>>>     Angeles
>>>
>>>     Code contributor and add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project
>>>
>>>     Certified NVDA Expert, 2019
>>>
>>>     Founding chair, NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon –
>>>     2014 to 2016
>>>
>>
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>
>
>
>
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: NVDACon 2020 post-mortem analysis: success, moving to a different platform, Twitter feed

Ashley Coleman
 

Hi all,
I hope you all are doing well.

I wanted to drop in and leave a few lines here on this topic.
If we were doing something more consistent; such as having a seminar once a month or something, I could see spending$1,200. As it is now, our conference is only once a year. Why would we spend that money when it could be used for other things?

There are other options for hosting the conference. As Robert said. There is a list being compiled. When it is complete. The committee will take a serious look at it and go from there.

It is our wish to present this in a way that everyone can experience it. We want to make sure that it is accessible and can host the number of people that attend the conference.

I’m sure more info will be dropped next year. So please be patient.

Ashley C

On Dec 7, 2020, at 7:48 PM, Robert Hänggi <aarjay.robert@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi

Again, for reference, here is the pricing page of zoom:
https://zoom.us/pricing

I'm horrified when I check the feature we want and read the total cost.
I've read comments like "If they can't afford $10 per month, I will
gladly pay it from my own pocket".
This is very misleading. The minimum plan for our purpose costs $200 per year
The ideal plan (with phone calling, enough participants, live
streaming, multiple rooms, replays, better website integration and so
on) amounts to $1200 per year.

Some people said that we could use their accounts.
I don't know how you feel about it but I don't like the thought to be
dependant on others.
Nonetheless, we will check out the options and Doug lee (as Joseph
said) is composing a workbook with all the possibilities.

Cheers
Robert

On 08/12/2020, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes you are correct James. I wonder between NV Access and
individuals/non for proffit orgs around the world with some promotion
etc. could raise money to use Zoom? If the NVDA community worldwide
starts something like this now that would be great. Yeah I know many
folks can't donate, but if we get said orgs for the blind on board that
would be a running start.

On 12/7/2020 6:27 PM, James Teh wrote:
I'd respectfully point out that Zoom is not free - it actually ends up
being quite costly for something like NVDACon - so it's not simply a
matter of popular opinion. Any proposal to move to an alternative
platform also needs to consider how that platform will be funded
and/or set up.

Jamie

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:08 AM Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

I didn't partake in the Con this year, however I vote for Zoom for
2021 and later. As you stated Joseph the hosts have more control.
I'm been crowing about getting Zoom for the past couple of years
pree pandemic. Glad it went well and hope to hear the recordings
soon.

On 12/7/2020 4:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

First, it was great to see many people at NVDACon 2020. I
personally consider this a successful event despite the pandemic
and its effects. Although we had issues in the beginning, it ran
smoothly, especially as the post-keynote QnA was very extensive.

A few thank you’s:

* Robert Hangi: chairing the organizing committee and upgrading
the pre-keynote experience.
* Laura Cornwell and friends: effective promotion, and for
streaming parts of the conference.
* Austin Pinto and other recording engineers.
* Derek Riemer: infrastructure and providing support.
* NV Access crew: another amazing keynote.
* Presenters: for diversifying the topics.

And most importantly, audience members who shared their passion
for NVDA and giving organizers countless encouragements. Hope the
event served as a healing moment for you.

Second, based on actual experience and post-event feedback, I
would like to suggest that organizers look into a different
platform for NVDACon 2021 and beyond. Of course we have to think
about accessibility and outreach, but mostly to help future
conference moderators perform their tasks more efficiently. Zoom
is a possibility, and Doug Lee apparently organized an Excel
spreadsheet with potential platforms. I would also like to
suggest that when a platform is chosen, organizers meet regularly
using that platform to familiarize themselves as to how to use it
effectively.

Lastly, NVDACon Twitter feed is still alive. The next post from
there will be done when recordings become available.

I announced this after the closing forum, but this is to affirm
that I will not be participating in NVDACon planning for next
year. However, if people want me to, I can give coaching for
presenters upon request – mostly to go over online presentation
etiquette, how to respond to comments, and refining small things
in content. Apart from that, I will be your biggest fan from the
distance.

May the NVDACon continue to bridge the community for years to come.

Cheers,

Joseph

Joseph S. Lee

Student (communication studies), California State University, Los
Angeles

Code contributor and add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project

Certified NVDA Expert, 2019

Founding chair, NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon –
2014 to 2016








Re: NVDACon 2020 post-mortem analysis: success, moving to a different platform, Twitter feed

Robert Hänggi
 

Hi

Again, for reference, here is the pricing page of zoom:
https://zoom.us/pricing

I'm horrified when I check the feature we want and read the total cost.
I've read comments like "If they can't afford $10 per month, I will
gladly pay it from my own pocket".
This is very misleading. The minimum plan for our purpose costs $200 per year
The ideal plan (with phone calling, enough participants, live
streaming, multiple rooms, replays, better website integration and so
on) amounts to $1200 per year.

Some people said that we could use their accounts.
I don't know how you feel about it but I don't like the thought to be
dependant on others.
Nonetheless, we will check out the options and Doug lee (as Joseph
said) is composing a workbook with all the possibilities.

Cheers
Robert

On 08/12/2020, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes you are correct James. I wonder between NV Access and
individuals/non for proffit orgs around the world with some promotion
etc. could raise money to use Zoom? If the NVDA community worldwide
starts something like this now that would be great. Yeah I know many
folks can't donate, but if we get said orgs for the blind on board that
would be a running start.

On 12/7/2020 6:27 PM, James Teh wrote:
I'd respectfully point out that Zoom is not free - it actually ends up
being quite costly for something like NVDACon - so it's not simply a
matter of popular opinion. Any proposal to move to an alternative
platform also needs to consider how that platform will be funded
and/or set up.

Jamie

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:08 AM Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

I didn't partake in the Con this year, however I vote for Zoom for
2021 and later. As you stated Joseph the hosts have more control.
I'm been crowing about getting Zoom for the past couple of years
pree pandemic. Glad it went well and hope to hear the recordings
soon.

On 12/7/2020 4:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

First, it was great to see many people at NVDACon 2020. I
personally consider this a successful event despite the pandemic
and its effects. Although we had issues in the beginning, it ran
smoothly, especially as the post-keynote QnA was very extensive.

A few thank you’s:

* Robert Hangi: chairing the organizing committee and upgrading
the pre-keynote experience.
* Laura Cornwell and friends: effective promotion, and for
streaming parts of the conference.
* Austin Pinto and other recording engineers.
* Derek Riemer: infrastructure and providing support.
* NV Access crew: another amazing keynote.
* Presenters: for diversifying the topics.

And most importantly, audience members who shared their passion
for NVDA and giving organizers countless encouragements. Hope the
event served as a healing moment for you.

Second, based on actual experience and post-event feedback, I
would like to suggest that organizers look into a different
platform for NVDACon 2021 and beyond. Of course we have to think
about accessibility and outreach, but mostly to help future
conference moderators perform their tasks more efficiently. Zoom
is a possibility, and Doug Lee apparently organized an Excel
spreadsheet with potential platforms. I would also like to
suggest that when a platform is chosen, organizers meet regularly
using that platform to familiarize themselves as to how to use it
effectively.

Lastly, NVDACon Twitter feed is still alive. The next post from
there will be done when recordings become available.

I announced this after the closing forum, but this is to affirm
that I will not be participating in NVDACon planning for next
year. However, if people want me to, I can give coaching for
presenters upon request – mostly to go over online presentation
etiquette, how to respond to comments, and refining small things
in content. Apart from that, I will be your biggest fan from the
distance.

May the NVDACon continue to bridge the community for years to come.

Cheers,

Joseph

Joseph S. Lee

Student (communication studies), California State University, Los
Angeles

Code contributor and add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project

Certified NVDA Expert, 2019

Founding chair, NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon –
2014 to 2016





Re: NVDACon 2020 post-mortem analysis: success, moving to a different platform, Twitter feed

Lino Morales
 

Yes you are correct James. I wonder between NV Access and individuals/non for proffit orgs around the world with some promotion etc. could raise money to use Zoom? If the NVDA community worldwide starts something like this now that would be great. Yeah I know many folks can't donate, but if we get said orgs for the blind on board that would be a running start.

On 12/7/2020 6:27 PM, James Teh wrote:
I'd respectfully point out that Zoom is not free - it actually ends up being quite costly for something like NVDACon - so it's not simply a matter of popular opinion. Any proposal to move to an alternative platform also needs to consider how that platform will be funded and/or set up.

Jamie

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:08 AM Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

I didn't partake in the Con this year, however I vote for Zoom for 2021 and later. As you stated Joseph the hosts have more control. I'm been crowing about getting Zoom for the past couple of years pree pandemic. Glad it went well and hope to hear the recordings soon.

On 12/7/2020 4:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

First, it was great to see many people at NVDACon 2020. I personally consider this a successful event despite the pandemic and its effects. Although we had issues in the beginning, it ran smoothly, especially as the post-keynote QnA was very extensive.

A few thank you’s:

  • Robert Hangi: chairing the organizing committee and upgrading the pre-keynote experience.
  • Laura Cornwell and friends: effective promotion, and for streaming parts of the conference.
  • Austin Pinto and other recording engineers.
  • Derek Riemer: infrastructure and providing support.
  • NV Access crew: another amazing keynote.
  • Presenters: for diversifying the topics.

 

And most importantly, audience members who shared their passion for NVDA and giving organizers countless encouragements. Hope the event served as a healing moment for you.

 

Second, based on actual experience and post-event feedback, I would like to suggest that organizers look into a different platform for NVDACon 2021 and beyond. Of course we have to think about accessibility and outreach, but mostly to help future conference moderators perform their tasks more efficiently. Zoom is a possibility, and Doug Lee apparently organized an Excel spreadsheet with potential platforms. I would also like to suggest that when a platform is chosen, organizers meet regularly using that platform to familiarize themselves as to how to use it effectively.

 

Lastly, NVDACon Twitter feed is still alive. The next post from there will be done when recordings become available.

 

I announced this after the closing forum, but this is to affirm that I will not be participating in NVDACon planning for next year. However, if people want me to, I can give coaching for presenters upon request – mostly to go over online presentation etiquette, how to respond to comments, and refining small things in content. Apart from that, I will be your biggest fan from the distance.

 

May the NVDACon continue to bridge the community for years to come.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

Joseph S. Lee

Student (communication studies), California State University, Los Angeles

Code contributor and add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project

Certified NVDA Expert, 2019

Founding chair, NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon – 2014 to 2016


Re: NVDACon 2020 post-mortem analysis: success, moving to a different platform, Twitter feed

 

I'd respectfully point out that Zoom is not free - it actually ends up being quite costly for something like NVDACon - so it's not simply a matter of popular opinion. Any proposal to move to an alternative platform also needs to consider how that platform will be funded and/or set up.

Jamie


On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:08 AM Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

I didn't partake in the Con this year, however I vote for Zoom for 2021 and later. As you stated Joseph the hosts have more control. I'm been crowing about getting Zoom for the past couple of years pree pandemic. Glad it went well and hope to hear the recordings soon.

On 12/7/2020 4:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

First, it was great to see many people at NVDACon 2020. I personally consider this a successful event despite the pandemic and its effects. Although we had issues in the beginning, it ran smoothly, especially as the post-keynote QnA was very extensive.

A few thank you’s:

  • Robert Hangi: chairing the organizing committee and upgrading the pre-keynote experience.
  • Laura Cornwell and friends: effective promotion, and for streaming parts of the conference.
  • Austin Pinto and other recording engineers.
  • Derek Riemer: infrastructure and providing support.
  • NV Access crew: another amazing keynote.
  • Presenters: for diversifying the topics.

 

And most importantly, audience members who shared their passion for NVDA and giving organizers countless encouragements. Hope the event served as a healing moment for you.

 

Second, based on actual experience and post-event feedback, I would like to suggest that organizers look into a different platform for NVDACon 2021 and beyond. Of course we have to think about accessibility and outreach, but mostly to help future conference moderators perform their tasks more efficiently. Zoom is a possibility, and Doug Lee apparently organized an Excel spreadsheet with potential platforms. I would also like to suggest that when a platform is chosen, organizers meet regularly using that platform to familiarize themselves as to how to use it effectively.

 

Lastly, NVDACon Twitter feed is still alive. The next post from there will be done when recordings become available.

 

I announced this after the closing forum, but this is to affirm that I will not be participating in NVDACon planning for next year. However, if people want me to, I can give coaching for presenters upon request – mostly to go over online presentation etiquette, how to respond to comments, and refining small things in content. Apart from that, I will be your biggest fan from the distance.

 

May the NVDACon continue to bridge the community for years to come.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

Joseph S. Lee

Student (communication studies), California State University, Los Angeles

Code contributor and add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project

Certified NVDA Expert, 2019

Founding chair, NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon – 2014 to 2016


Re: NVDACon 2020 post-mortem analysis: success, moving to a different platform, Twitter feed

Lino Morales
 

I didn't partake in the Con this year, however I vote for Zoom for 2021 and later. As you stated Joseph the hosts have more control. I'm been crowing about getting Zoom for the past couple of years pree pandemic. Glad it went well and hope to hear the recordings soon.

On 12/7/2020 4:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

First, it was great to see many people at NVDACon 2020. I personally consider this a successful event despite the pandemic and its effects. Although we had issues in the beginning, it ran smoothly, especially as the post-keynote QnA was very extensive.

A few thank you’s:

  • Robert Hangi: chairing the organizing committee and upgrading the pre-keynote experience.
  • Laura Cornwell and friends: effective promotion, and for streaming parts of the conference.
  • Austin Pinto and other recording engineers.
  • Derek Riemer: infrastructure and providing support.
  • NV Access crew: another amazing keynote.
  • Presenters: for diversifying the topics.

 

And most importantly, audience members who shared their passion for NVDA and giving organizers countless encouragements. Hope the event served as a healing moment for you.

 

Second, based on actual experience and post-event feedback, I would like to suggest that organizers look into a different platform for NVDACon 2021 and beyond. Of course we have to think about accessibility and outreach, but mostly to help future conference moderators perform their tasks more efficiently. Zoom is a possibility, and Doug Lee apparently organized an Excel spreadsheet with potential platforms. I would also like to suggest that when a platform is chosen, organizers meet regularly using that platform to familiarize themselves as to how to use it effectively.

 

Lastly, NVDACon Twitter feed is still alive. The next post from there will be done when recordings become available.

 

I announced this after the closing forum, but this is to affirm that I will not be participating in NVDACon planning for next year. However, if people want me to, I can give coaching for presenters upon request – mostly to go over online presentation etiquette, how to respond to comments, and refining small things in content. Apart from that, I will be your biggest fan from the distance.

 

May the NVDACon continue to bridge the community for years to come.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

Joseph S. Lee

Student (communication studies), California State University, Los Angeles

Code contributor and add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project

Certified NVDA Expert, 2019

Founding chair, NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon – 2014 to 2016


NVDACon 2020 post-mortem analysis: success, moving to a different platform, Twitter feed

 

Hi all,

First, it was great to see many people at NVDACon 2020. I personally consider this a successful event despite the pandemic and its effects. Although we had issues in the beginning, it ran smoothly, especially as the post-keynote QnA was very extensive.

A few thank you’s:

  • Robert Hangi: chairing the organizing committee and upgrading the pre-keynote experience.
  • Laura Cornwell and friends: effective promotion, and for streaming parts of the conference.
  • Austin Pinto and other recording engineers.
  • Derek Riemer: infrastructure and providing support.
  • NV Access crew: another amazing keynote.
  • Presenters: for diversifying the topics.

 

And most importantly, audience members who shared their passion for NVDA and giving organizers countless encouragements. Hope the event served as a healing moment for you.

 

Second, based on actual experience and post-event feedback, I would like to suggest that organizers look into a different platform for NVDACon 2021 and beyond. Of course we have to think about accessibility and outreach, but mostly to help future conference moderators perform their tasks more efficiently. Zoom is a possibility, and Doug Lee apparently organized an Excel spreadsheet with potential platforms. I would also like to suggest that when a platform is chosen, organizers meet regularly using that platform to familiarize themselves as to how to use it effectively.

 

Lastly, NVDACon Twitter feed is still alive. The next post from there will be done when recordings become available.

 

I announced this after the closing forum, but this is to affirm that I will not be participating in NVDACon planning for next year. However, if people want me to, I can give coaching for presenters upon request – mostly to go over online presentation etiquette, how to respond to comments, and refining small things in content. Apart from that, I will be your biggest fan from the distance.

 

May the NVDACon continue to bridge the community for years to come.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

Joseph S. Lee

Student (communication studies), California State University, Los Angeles

Code contributor and add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project

Certified NVDA Expert, 2019

Founding chair, NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon – 2014 to 2016


Keynote questions

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Robert and everyone,

Firstly, congratulations on a fantastic NVDACon!  You did a great job organising it, and I loved the livestream tweeting of the keynote (although I mostly caught up on that after).

I'm just collating the questions now and wanted to check - what format did you want responses to these in?

Text is probably easiest, unless you wanted the answers recorded to add on to the end of the original?  I also have some questions from the Spanish keynote.

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


keynote file

derek riemer
 

for streaming: https://files.derekriemer.com/nvda_keynote_with_q_and_a.mp3

--
Derek Riemer
Improving the world one byte at a time!        ⠠⠊⠍⠏⠗⠕⠧⠬ ⠮ ⠸⠺ ⠐⠕ ⠃⠽⠞⠑ ⠁⠞ ⠁ ⠐⠞⠖
•    Accessibility enthusiast.
•    Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
•    Open source enthusiast.
•    Skier.

•    Personal website: https://derekriemer.com





Re: FW: [nvda] NVDACon 2020: program schedule is now live

derek riemer
 

I had the server with a password on it during non con times. it's removed now. Should be all good.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 6:23 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Can we double check the tt file/

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of dingpengyu
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 5:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDACon 2020: program schedule is now live

 

hi
The following error occurs when using TeamTalk5Classic to connect to nvdacon.org:
TeamTalk5Classic

 ok button 

An error occurred while perform a requested command:

Not logged in

TeamTalk5Classic

 ok button 

An error occurred while perform a requested command:

Invalid account



--
Derek Riemer
Improving the world one byte at a time!        ⠠⠊⠍⠏⠗⠕⠧⠬ ⠮ ⠸⠺ ⠐⠕ ⠃⠽⠞⠑ ⠁⠞ ⠁ ⠐⠞⠖
•    Accessibility enthusiast.
•    Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
•    Open source enthusiast.
•    Skier.

•    Personal website: https://derekriemer.com





FW: [nvda] NVDACon 2020: program schedule is now live

 

Hi,

Can we double check the tt file/

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of dingpengyu
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 5:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDACon 2020: program schedule is now live

 

hi
The following error occurs when using TeamTalk5Classic to connect to nvdacon.org:
TeamTalk5Classic

 ok button 

An error occurred while perform a requested command:

Not logged in

TeamTalk5Classic

 ok button 

An error occurred while perform a requested command:

Invalid account

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