Re: NVDACon 2020 post-mortem analysis: success, moving to a different platform, Twitter feed

Adriani Botez

No definitely not a two-men decision. We will discuss this during next organizational meeting I would say.

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Am 08.12.2020 um 07:36 schrieb Robert Hänggi <aarjay.robert@...>:

On 08/12/2020, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:
Dear all,

it was a pleasure to work with all of you together also this year,
especially Robert, Laura, Austin and Derek really great job in organizing it
this year. Even though I couldn’t participate in organizational meetings and
so on, I tried to follow the conversations and to help when was possible. I
have the feeling that the NVDACon team gets stronger and grows in a
sustainable way which makes me really lucky to see.

Regarding zoom, I explored this opportunity last year and had two long
conversations with the Zoom people trying to negociate a meaningful plan
which is teylored for NVDACon. I ended up at about 145 USD per month, if we
include full recording features, 10 moderator accounts, full webinar
features and so on. My conclusion was as follows:

* The best way would be to rent a Zoom pro account from an organization
which already uses it regularly (cheapest way I would say)
Exactly so although I don't like the affiliation, dependants and
overall problems on coordination that it is involved.

* Zoom doesn’t offer weekend plans
* We need a backup through an NGO to get discount
* We need an account for NVDACon to begin fund raising throughout the
community (i.e. a paypal account)
Although we have a donate button, I wonder if there were ever payments
made through it to the NVDA project.
All in all, it needs much more than a button. We need funnels, opt-ins
and most important a mailing list (gimp like) to bind users
This isn't just for fund raising but also to extract valid data about
the regular emails that we send (were they opened, were the links
clicked etc).
Apart from that, it is just convenient to set up emails beforehand and
reminders (e.g. for the conference start) go out automatically.

* We need to think about an alternative conference format, moderating a Zoom
conference which takes three days long is really really not an easy job,
especially if we want to avoid what happened during Opening forum this
As a side-note, did someone ever attend a zoom meeting like our forums
where any user can speak at any time?
The meetings that I've attended were all just directed by a single
host and participants had to raise their hands to speak.

Let me know your thoughts and I can start negociations with them again.

I will also try to find a solution for getting a Zoom pro account to test a
one day conference, maybe in February.

Doug Lee and me we’re preparing an overview of the platforms out there and
will try to find what the best is for NVDACon.
The features that go into the workbook are not a two-men decision, are they?
Because that's how one could interpret this sentence.


Best regards


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According to what I've seen, Zoom can be paid month-by-month, but the web
offers anual plans by default. Anual prices are usually equal to 10 months.

Additionally, for nonprofit organizations, at least here in spain, zoom
seems to offer a 50% discount on all plans, 1 plan request per organization
per year, via Techsoup. As Techsoup is an international company, I think
similar offers would be available in other countries.

I don't think moving from TeamTalk is a fundamental need for conferences
such as NVDACon or our local meeting, but to be honest some people was
complaining about TeamTalk also during our last conference, held in last
month; however there wasn't such a strong debate as in NVDACon's openning


Congratulations on all your work. Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
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O 08/12/2020 á(s) 2:20, Robert Hänggi escribiu:

Thanks Quentin for the kind words

I must say it was such a pleasure and so inspirational to work with
you one to one that I didn't mind staying up wide into the small hours
(like now where it is 2:00 am here).
Especially in the first weeks when I felt like doing a one-man show
and reaching out to you was soothing to my mental balance.
Our "conspiracy" produced some great ideas of which not all could make
it into the conference as yet but they are burnt into our sub
conscience (or just the email archive) so that they could pop up any
time again.
I'm looking forward to work with you again in whichever role that might be.

On 08/12/2020, Quentin Christensen <mailto:quentin@...>
<quentin@...> wrote:

Congratulations Joseph, Robert, Derek, Austin, Laura and everyone involved
on running a very successful and well received NVDACon, great job!

Joseph, you will be missed, but you have setup a great foundation and got a
talented group of people holding the fort so enjoy your time away from
running the show next year!

In terms of cost, NV Access are certainly willing to contribute financially
to whatever solution is going to work best for the conference organisers
and participants - although of course we need to be able to justify the
expense as well, and it may be that approaching a particular platform about
sponsorship is worthwhile.

For now, congratulations again on a great conference, and I look forward to
hearing the recordings!


On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:48 AM Robert Hänggi
<mailto:aarjay.robert@...> <aarjay.robert@...>


Again, for reference, here is the pricing page of zoom:

I'm horrified when I check the feature we want and read the total cost.
I've read comments like "If they can't afford $10 per month, I will
gladly pay it from my own pocket".
This is very misleading. The minimum plan for our purpose costs $200 per
The ideal plan (with phone calling, enough participants, live
streaming, multiple rooms, replays, better website integration and so
on) amounts to $1200 per year.

Some people said that we could use their accounts.
I don't know how you feel about it but I don't like the thought to be
dependant on others.
Nonetheless, we will check out the options and Doug lee (as Joseph
said) is composing a workbook with all the possibilities.


On 08/12/2020, Lino Morales <mailto:linomorales001@...>
<linomorales001@...> wrote:

Yes you are correct James. I wonder between NV Access and
individuals/non for proffit orgs around the world with some promotion
etc. could raise money to use Zoom? If the NVDA community worldwide
starts something like this now that would be great. Yeah I know many
folks can't donate, but if we get said orgs for the blind on board that
would be a running start.

On 12/7/2020 6:27 PM, James Teh wrote:

I'd respectfully point out that Zoom is not free - it actually ends up
being quite costly for something like NVDACon - so it's not simply a
matter of popular opinion. Any proposal to move to an alternative
platform also needs to consider how that platform will be funded
and/or set up.


On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:08 AM Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
<mailto:linomorales001@...> <mailto:linomorales001@...>>

I didn't partake in the Con this year, however I vote for Zoom for
2021 and later. As you stated Joseph the hosts have more control.
I'm been crowing about getting Zoom for the past couple of years
pree pandemic. Glad it went well and hope to hear the recordings

On 12/7/2020 4:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

First, it was great to see many people at NVDACon 2020. I
personally consider this a successful event despite the pandemic
and its effects. Although we had issues in the beginning, it ran
smoothly, especially as the post-keynote QnA was very extensive.

A few thank you’s:

* Robert Hangi: chairing the organizing committee and upgrading
the pre-keynote experience.
* Laura Cornwell and friends: effective promotion, and for
streaming parts of the conference.
* Austin Pinto and other recording engineers.
* Derek Riemer: infrastructure and providing support.
* NV Access crew: another amazing keynote.
* Presenters: for diversifying the topics.

And most importantly, audience members who shared their passion
for NVDA and giving organizers countless encouragements. Hope the
event served as a healing moment for you.

Second, based on actual experience and post-event feedback, I
would like to suggest that organizers look into a different
platform for NVDACon 2021 and beyond. Of course we have to think
about accessibility and outreach, but mostly to help future
conference moderators perform their tasks more efficiently. Zoom
is a possibility, and Doug Lee apparently organized an Excel
spreadsheet with potential platforms. I would also like to
suggest that when a platform is chosen, organizers meet regularly
using that platform to familiarize themselves as to how to use it

Lastly, NVDACon Twitter feed is still alive. The next post from
there will be done when recordings become available.

I announced this after the closing forum, but this is to affirm
that I will not be participating in NVDACon planning for next
year. However, if people want me to, I can give coaching for
presenters upon request – mostly to go over online presentation
etiquette, how to respond to comments, and refining small things
in content. Apart from that, I will be your biggest fan from the

May the NVDACon continue to bridge the community for years to



Joseph S. Lee

Student (communication studies), California State University, Los

Code contributor and add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project

Certified NVDA Expert, 2019

Founding chair, NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon –
2014 to 2016

Quentin Christensen
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