Re: NVDACon 2020 post-mortem analysis: success, moving to a different platform, Twitter feed
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it was a pleasure to work with all of you together also this year, especially Robert, Laura, Austin and Derek really great job in organizing it this year. Even though I couldn’t participate in organizational meetings and so on, I tried to follow the conversations and to help when was possible. I have the feeling that the NVDACon team gets stronger and grows in a sustainable way which makes me really lucky to see.
Regarding zoom, I explored this opportunity last year and had two long conversations with the Zoom people trying to negociate a meaningful plan which is teylored for NVDACon. I ended up at about 145 USD per month, if we include full recording features, 10 moderator accounts, full webinar features and so on. My conclusion was as follows:
Let me know your thoughts and I can start negociations with them again.
I will also try to find a solution for getting a Zoom pro account to test a one day conference, maybe in February.
Doug Lee and me we’re preparing an overview of the platforms out there and will try to find what the best is for NVDACon.
Von: intl@NVDACon.groups.io <intl@NVDACon.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Iván Novegil via groups.io
According to what I've seen, Zoom can be paid month-by-month, but the web offers anual plans by default. Anual prices are usually equal to 10 months.
Additionally, for nonprofit organizations, at least here in spain, zoom seems to offer a 50% discount on all plans, 1 plan request per organization per year, via Techsoup. As Techsoup is an international company, I think similar offers would be available in other countries.
I don't think moving from TeamTalk is a fundamental need for conferences such as NVDACon or our local meeting, but to be honest some people was complaining about TeamTalk also during our last conference, held in last month; however there wasn't such a strong debate as in NVDACon's openning forum.
Congratulations on all your work. Regards.
Iván Novegil Cancelas
O 08/12/2020 á(s) 2:20, Robert Hänggi escribiu:
Thanks Quentin for the kind wordsI must say it was such a pleasure and so inspirational to work withyou one to one that I didn't mind staying up wide into the small hours(like now where it is 2:00 am here).Especially in the first weeks when I felt like doing a one-man showand reaching out to you was soothing to my mental balance.Our "conspiracy" produced some great ideas of which not all could makeit into the conference as yet but they are burnt into our subconscience (or just the email archive) so that they could pop up anytime again.I'm looking forward to work with you again in whichever role that might be.CheersRobertOn 08/12/2020, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:Congratulations Joseph, Robert, Derek, Austin, Laura and everyone involvedon running a very successful and well received NVDACon, great job!Joseph, you will be missed, but you have setup a great foundation and got atalented group of people holding the fort so enjoy your time away fromrunning the show next year!In terms of cost, NV Access are certainly willing to contribute financiallyto whatever solution is going to work best for the conference organisersand participants - although of course we need to be able to justify theexpense as well, and it may be that approaching a particular platform aboutsponsorship is worthwhile.For now, congratulations again on a great conference, and I look forward tohearing the recordings!Quentin.On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:48 AM Robert Hänggi <aarjay.robert@...>wrote:HiAgain, for reference, here is the pricing page of zoom:I'm horrified when I check the feature we want and read the total cost.I've read comments like "If they can't afford $10 per month, I willgladly pay it from my own pocket".This is very misleading. The minimum plan for our purpose costs $200 peryearThe ideal plan (with phone calling, enough participants, livestreaming, multiple rooms, replays, better website integration and soon) amounts to $1200 per year.Some people said that we could use their accounts.I don't know how you feel about it but I don't like the thought to bedependant on others.Nonetheless, we will check out the options and Doug lee (as Josephsaid) is composing a workbook with all the possibilities.CheersRobertOn 08/12/2020, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:Yes you are correct James. I wonder between NV Access andindividuals/non for proffit orgs around the world with some promotionetc. could raise money to use Zoom? If the NVDA community worldwidestarts something like this now that would be great. Yeah I know manyfolks can't donate, but if we get said orgs for the blind on board thatwould be a running start.On 12/7/2020 6:27 PM, James Teh wrote:I'd respectfully point out that Zoom is not free - it actually ends upbeing quite costly for something like NVDACon - so it's not simply amatter of popular opinion. Any proposal to move to an alternativeplatform also needs to consider how that platform will be fundedand/or set up.JamieOn Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:08 AM Lino Morales <linomorales001@...<mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:I didn't partake in the Con this year, however I vote for Zoom for2021 and later. As you stated Joseph the hosts have more control.I'm been crowing about getting Zoom for the past couple of yearspree pandemic. Glad it went well and hope to hear the recordingssoon.On 12/7/2020 4:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:Hi all,First, it was great to see many people at NVDACon 2020. Ipersonally consider this a successful event despite the pandemicand its effects. Although we had issues in the beginning, it ransmoothly, especially as the post-keynote QnA was very extensive.A few thank you’s:* Robert Hangi: chairing the organizing committee and upgradingthe pre-keynote experience.* Laura Cornwell and friends: effective promotion, and forstreaming parts of the conference.* Austin Pinto and other recording engineers.* Derek Riemer: infrastructure and providing support.* NV Access crew: another amazing keynote.* Presenters: for diversifying the topics.And most importantly, audience members who shared their passionfor NVDA and giving organizers countless encouragements. Hope theevent served as a healing moment for you.Second, based on actual experience and post-event feedback, Iwould like to suggest that organizers look into a differentplatform for NVDACon 2021 and beyond. Of course we have to thinkabout accessibility and outreach, but mostly to help futureconference moderators perform their tasks more efficiently. Zoomis a possibility, and Doug Lee apparently organized an Excelspreadsheet with potential platforms. I would also like tosuggest that when a platform is chosen, organizers meet regularlyusing that platform to familiarize themselves as to how to use iteffectively.Lastly, NVDACon Twitter feed is still alive. The next post fromthere will be done when recordings become available.I announced this after the closing forum, but this is to affirmthat I will not be participating in NVDACon planning for nextyear. However, if people want me to, I can give coaching forpresenters upon request – mostly to go over online presentationetiquette, how to respond to comments, and refining small thingsin content. Apart from that, I will be your biggest fan from thedistance.May the NVDACon continue to bridge the community for years tocome.Cheers,JosephJoseph S. LeeStudent (communication studies), California State University, LosAngelesCode contributor and add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader projectCertified NVDA Expert, 2019Founding chair, NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon –2014 to 2016--Quentin ChristensenTraining and Support ManagerWeb: www.nvaccess.orgTraining: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvdaFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccessTwitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>